Review of Effect of debris-flow sediment grain-size distribution on fan morphology by Tsunetaka et al.
Tsunetaka et al present the results of a set of flume experiments where they test the impact of debris flow grain size distributions on the morphology of debris flow fans. By comparing the results of 8 experiment runs, 4 monogranular and 4 multigranular, they discover that debris flows with coarser grains have shorter runouts due to early solid and fluid phase separation. Due to the shorter runout multigranular flows the fans are more complex as changes in direction can occur more frequently during the runout of the flow. While I believe this is an interesting result, in its current form it is difficult to apply it to real debris flow fans. Without this link it is not clear whether this manuscript represents a significant step forward in our understanding of debris flow fan formation.
I believe the results of the manuscript are hard to apply to real debris flow fans due to three main reasons. I will describe these reasons briefly here and provide detailed section specific feedback below.
In the experiments described, the fans are produced by a single debris flow like surge resulting from a continual flow entraining sediment from the bed of the flume. However, in reality debris flow fans are produced by multiple flows depositing sequentially over the course of potentially thousands of years. Therefore, it is not currently clear how the deposits from the experiments can be compared to actual debris flow fans. Instead, it is likely these results can help us to decipher single events from fan stratigraphy.
Most of the analysis of the experiment is in terms of time and distance, both of which are highly specific to the experiment run and cannot easily be scaled up to a real debris flow or easily compared between model runs. Throughout the results and discussion, the authors describe how avulsions in multigranular flows occur earlier (both in terms of distance from the flume outlet and in time) than monogranular flows. However, as this result is likely due to the shorter runout distance of the multigranular flows it is not clear whether this result represents a significant difference in behaviour between the 2 types of flow. By normalising the runout length of the flow, it is possible to compare whether the avulsions in multigranular flows truly occur earlier in the evolution of the fan. If there is no difference in the normalised runs then grainsize is not a controlling factor on avulsion frequency or location. Normalising the runout length will also allow for comparison between the model results and actual debris flows and debris flow deposits.
Finally, there is surprisingly little reference to the changing slope of the runout area despite slope being a well-known control on the deposition of sediment. By analysing the slope at which the flows stop at the differences in friction between the flows can be quantified. Multigranular flows may stop in steeper slopes than monogranular flows which could allow for some calculation of the friction angle in the deposited sediment. This result would again help to link the experimental results to real debris flow deposits.
Line by line comments:
Line 16: This line is confusing to readers as it is not currently clear how a debris flow can have a flow depth before it starts to runout.
Lines 69&61: Which processes are being referred to here?
Line 68: It is not clear what is meant by “Discharge around”. Perhaps “when debris flows leave the channel outlet…” would work better
Line 71: Unclear what is meant by “The progress of phase separation continues”
Line 73: How is runout distance defined in this circumstance? Is it defined by the runout of the solid phase?
Line 77: Unclear what “runout around the channel outlet means”
Line 84: There needs to a definition of what the authors consider a debris flow fan to be and how their experiment replicates this definition. Currently the experiments do not seem to result in a fan as defined by the references discussed in the references of the introduction.
Line 118: What are these “similar flow properties”? Perhaps these need to be defined before discussing the differences between the flows.
Line 173: How are the solid and fluid phases identified and defined?
Lines 200 – 205: The calculation of this metric could be better explained by diagram, currently it is not clear how the mid line is defined or what “the length of the fan from the midline to the edge…” describes.
Line 237: How is the runoff distance measured and defined? Does the runout begin in the flume or once it enters the deposition zone?
Line 266: It is unclear what is meant by “following multigranular test runs 2 and 3”. Perhaps “the grain size of the deposits of test runs 2&3 were observed…” works better
Lines 267-270: It is not clear what a depth of 1-2cm from the surface of the deposition area means. Are the coarser grains 1-2 cm above the base or 1-2 cm below the surface of the deposit? It is also not clear whether the deposit is fining upwards or has reverse grading.
Line 279: As a channel and channel plug have not formed it is not clear whether this an avulsion as typically thought of in the literature i.e. (de Haas et al., 2018) so a definition is required.
Line 307: Deposition depth is not intuitive, I would use deposit thickness.
Line 347: The locations of the avulsions cannot be compared between runs due to the difference in runout length. Normalising the runout length may indicate that the locations of the avulsions are fairly similar across all of the experiment runs.
Line 363: The lack of consideration of the change in slope in the discussion of runout length is strange. An important confirmation of the coarse grains enhancement of friction would be if the multigranular flow stop on steeper slopes than the monogranular flows. This would also allow for easier comparison with real examples of debris flows.
Line 408: There has been no discussion on how coarser grains may cause avulsions other than by increasing the friction of the front of the debris flow. Therefore, it is not clear why a model which considers the friction of debris flows will not be able to replicate fan morphology.
Line 416: How much of this phase separation is resulting from the lack of very fine sediment in the flow? Clay particles significantly increase pore pressures in the flow and could prevent phase separation and possibly increase the runout length of the flow.
de Haas, T., Densmore, A. L., Stoffel, M., Suwa, H., Imaizumi, F., Ballesteros-Cánovas, J. A., & Wasklewicz, T. (2018). Avulsions and the spatio-temporal evolution of debris-flow fans. Earth-Science Reviews, 177(November), 53–75. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.earscirev.2017.11.007 |